Curse

The Great Al · Jan 13, 2008, 02:44 AM // 02:44

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Originally Posted by high priestess anya

they dont have records. thats why i am banned and thats why they started this thread, to find out what happened. they have no chat logs as they would have seen me say im leaving as i fear the ban. they havent checked to see who has profitted from this as i never made a single GW gold coin from this lol. ANET has made the right choice in most cases. most of the banned did farm mallyx but im fairly sure that they dont have the evidence to back it up, or prove people innocent
where is my PM from ANET staff? i know more about this whole situation than you guys lol

If you really are telling the truth, you'll more than likely be unbanned. They definitely have chat logs, and they probably have logs saying whether or not you've been in the town.

high priestess anya · Jan 13, 2008, 03:18 AM // 03:18

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

No. We cannot access this outpost on our player characters, and if an employee were to exploit his/her GM abilities, or use some sort of exploit to attain personal benefit, you can be assured there would be very serious consequences.

Shan: You've raised some interesting points, but one of the first things I'd like to suggest is that we consider that not all who claim they are "testing" are truly testing. Let me give you a for-instance:

Player A: Hey, I found an exploit.
Player B: Oh yeah? Well, send a ticket to ArenaNet and let's exploit the heck out of it until they have a chance to close the exploit. Since it's the holidays and all, it may take them a while, and in the meantime, by sending a "I think there may be an exploit" report, we (and as many people as we choose with whom to share this "secret info") have free access to all the riches we can farm.

The point is, a report is very very helpful, but it cannot be seen as a "Get Out of Jail Free" card. If that is what is appears I've said, I apologize. It is possible to reconstruct these things, and the people who report and continue farming are doing the wrong thing, even if they did the right thing in reporting. We know of cases where people have farmed an exploit and waited until it appeared to be nearing resolution, upon which they reported it, hoping to slide under the radar as an exploiter.

We are going to review things, of course. We greatly appreciate reports and yes, there is some latitude towards those who report, within reason. When we review appeals, if there is any possibility of fairly and rightfully restoring an account, we will try to do so. I've offered to help in any way that I can, and I know our QA, Support, and Content Programming Teams are all working to resolve each individual case in the best possible way -- for the player and for the game.

Those sending exploit details: We are testing, but so far are not able to establish that any of the methods you suggest are workable. (Yes, we know this is corrected on Live; we can test in pre-existing state on another server.) Hacking the client did work, that's without doubt. Partying with someone who hacked the client did work, and yes, once someone was there, it appears that he/she could be a ferry into the hidden outpost for others. But we have not yet found any other means to get into the hidden outpost in order to exploit the Mallyx portion of the DoA mission. However, we will spend as much time as needed to test this in order to resolve any reports. Thank you for letting us know your thoughts and suggestions.

and you got your reports.... about 10 of em.........about 5 weeks ago....

during the period of gh instability i am led to believe, by the guy who started this whole thing, that this is how the glitch was formed.you have since repaired the gh trick and now cannot explain why you cant do the same thing my guy claims to have done. whether he tells the truth i dont know, but i do know that he could give someone else power to do the same ferry by only having to speak to them. no hacking involved.if i knew how they did it i would tell you myself and im sure one of the others may tell you when they realise they have been busted.
you say you know what has happened...and you know how many times people exploited the glitch.... but yet i made one trip to mallyx from the glitched area and left half way through, fearing a ban... why i am banned?
i thought you did a thorough investigation...psch
if they had logs i wouldnt be banned. or if they do they havent reviewed them. i was banned within about 7 hours of me going to mallyx and leaving mid battle. i didnt make nothing from it and plus i had already done all the prerequisite quests so i was not unjustly fighting mallyx anyway. i dont know about the other 116 but im in the clear...just waiting for justice to be done before i abandon GW. all my friends couldnt resist the glitch, the fact that they all reported it and got no response sent them mixed messages. wouldnt a 6 month ban be severe enough for the farmers? if you can do that i will tell you who started it all. btw it didnt affect the in game economy that much.everyone waited 2 weeks for a reply to the reports before they started so... its how much damage they can do in 2 weeks...

summed up:
they where wrong to farm mallyx and they knew it was wrong
it could have had an impact on the in game economy (just like other ferriers or botting or even dupers)
reports where there...ppl did what anet asked them to do
no response from anet
no response to the less informed = go go go
ppl didnt think it was that severe at the time, now it is clear to see the repercussions
life time ban

make your own conclusions, to me thats the black and white of it

everyone seems to like metaphors:
its like walking past a bank in an empty town....what would you do?

Mickey · Jan 13, 2008, 03:22 AM // 03:22

Seriously, I am so sick and tired of this.

I sent Support:

A. A way to prove that I killed Mallyx 7 times.
B. Asked them to show me a chat log where I acknowledged this as an exploit or a hack.

2 Days Later...

Nothing, not from Gaile (who I have emailed 6 times btw, I know your busy, but come on). Oh, and Support told me to gtfo.

Clait · Jan 13, 2008, 03:26 AM // 03:26

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Originally Posted by high priestess anya

during the period of gh instability i am led to believe, by the guy who started this whole thing, that this is how the glitch was formed.you have since repaired the gh trick and now cannot explain why you cant do the same thing my guy claims to have done. whether he tells the truth i dont know, but i do know that he could give someone else power to do the same ferry by only having to speak to them. no hacking involved.if i knew i how they did it i would tell you and im sure one of the others may tell you when they realise they have been busted.
you say you know what has happened...and you know how many times people exploited the glitch.... but yet i made one trip to mallyx from the glitched area and left half way through, fearing a ban... why i am banned?
i thought you did a thorough investigation...psch

As I have stated, it was a script anet runs on their server that banned everybody. It looked at anybody that accessed the town. Banned everyone at Wednesday night at approx 12am pacific. No review was necessary. It was automatic. For those that sent in a response.. the response(s) back were all automatic and identical.

Mickey · Jan 13, 2008, 03:28 AM // 03:28

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Originally Posted by Clait

As I have stated, it was a script anet runs on their server that banned everybody. It looked at anybody that accessed the town. Banned everyone at Wednesday night at approx 12am pacific. No review was necessary. It was automatic. For those that sent in a response.. the response(s) back were all automatic and identical.

Finally, the truth comes out! Read this Gaile, read it.

The time it took for them to ban everyone was about the same as the time it took for me to make a cup of hot chocolate.

Clait · Jan 13, 2008, 03:30 AM // 03:30

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Originally Posted by Mickey

Finally, the truth comes out! Read this Gaile, read it.

The time it took for them to ban everyone was about the same as the time it took for me to make a cup of hot chocolate.

Anet is aware of how that works. They designed it obviously.

To say, however, they have done a thorough investigation is a blatant lie.

Crom The Pale · Jan 13, 2008, 03:30 AM // 03:30

I think part of the problem here is that Anet doesn't have very many options for dealing with any percieved cheating in GW.

They can temp ban, perm ban or do nothing it seams.

If anything postive at all can come from this its the need to impliment in GW2 if not possible in GW a means to address infractions on more than just 2 levels.

If Anet had the means to "rollback" an individual's account to a point before the infractions, thereby removing any and all gain cause by the infraction, that could be another means of dealing with certain infractions.

Unfortunately one of the drawbacks to any MMO is that even a single player can have an effect upon the entire comunity. Imagine that they did rollback a single players account, would they not also have to track down and reverse every trade that player made? That would lead to reversing trades made by those that traded with the initial player and any trades those players made with others after that. It is a nasy chain reaction...

Perhaps Anet could lock an individuals storage chest and disable thier trade feature. This would hamper them, but they could still play the game. They would be unable, from that point on, to have any effect upon the gaming comunity as far as the ecconimy at least.

What other means of punishment/education/correction could Anet impliment to keep people from abusing the game without stripping them of the chance to learn from making, what very well could be, an innocent mistake?

truzo 117 · Jan 13, 2008, 03:37 AM // 03:37

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Originally Posted by Cab Tastic

Are you serious. It is preposterous to compare all of the above to the Mallyx exploit. The profitablility is 1000's of percent higher.

Once you finally found a team to do Mallyx this way. you spend half the "profit" on consumables before you even start and then there is the fails..

The Duncan Taxi bug was alot more profitable than any other (as a mission)

The Guild hall map anywhere bug was the best for money making. people offering 50k a time to get a taxi to a mission or outpost.

imbanned2 · Jan 13, 2008, 03:42 AM // 03:42

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the facts are.. they call us hackers when nobody hacked(main discussion I believe)

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:::::they banned permanently the guys who farmed this 100000 times like those that went 1-5 times.. so seems that support is automated.. and was a script who banned everyone.. so nobody checked the chat logs( if they checked the chat logs probably a lot of ppl will get unbann).. so.. there is no "advance research" like every support ticket says and stuff.. soooo almost everything.. well everything from wikis/gaile/ect is a BIG LIE? hhmmm interesting

-Sonata- · Jan 13, 2008, 03:42 AM // 03:42

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Originally Posted by Clait

So only people that hacked could access the Ebony Citadel? And yet in another post, you said "[Anet] has called anyone a hacker." Make up your mind.

Read carefully, please.

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Only by hacking the client, or partying with someone who had done so, could a player access that outpost.

That is not difficult to understand. It is not confusing, nor is it misleading in any way.

saopaulo · Jan 13, 2008, 03:45 AM // 03:45

''Protests regarding the termination of your Guild Wars game account will not be addressed or entertained. We will not accept appeals in cases such as this because of the depth of the analysis prior to the block. We regret the necessity of terminating any game account, but we will continue to take all necessary actions to protect the Guild Wars community and to assure that players are abiding by our User Agreement.

Regards,
The Guild Wars Support Team''

My account is already terminated before i ask them to send me the gamelogs that shows me i repeatedly did their Mallyx exploit. As said before all players in same guild or being once in that outpost are banned without any investigation.

Clait · Jan 13, 2008, 03:50 AM // 03:50

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Originally Posted by -Sonata-

Read carefully, please.

That is not difficult to understand. It is not confusing, nor is it misleading in any way.

I have read it carefully. There is only one way to interpret it. They banned everyone for hacking.. since that is the only way to access the Ebony Citadel. Then in a later post, she said "we're not accusing anybody of hacking."

Its either one or the other.

If it was an exploit.. then please call it that. The fact that you can not distinguish between an exploit and a hack is disturbing.

People got away with other similiar offenses (i.e Duncan) without even a slap on the wrist. Why has Anet decided to go all out on Mallyx and not on Duncan?.. an exploit that has the same mechanics.

truzo 117 · Jan 13, 2008, 03:53 AM // 03:53

What Gaile said on how to get to the city is wrong. she said you can only get there by partying with someone who hacked or hacking it yourself.

I did the 4 areas with a pug team and went into mallyx SOLO and i was able to get the town from mapping to the guild hall and i cant hack i wouldnt know where to start

-Sonata- · Jan 13, 2008, 04:03 AM // 04:03

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Originally Posted by Clait

I have read it carefully. There is only one way to interpret it. They banned everyone for hacking.. <snip>

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OR PARTYING WITH SOMEONE WHO HAD DONE SO

Partying with someone who had done so does not equal being the hacker.

You guys have to stop twisting and putting your own spin on these statements, for you own good. They can't be any more clear and straight forward. If you're going to post that her, or Anets statements are lies, it doesn't help your side by lieing yourself about what they have actually said, which is that they have claimed everyone was a hacker. That was not true from the beginning and it's not true now. Please, if you're going to defend your side, and you have the right to do so, do it without twisting statements. It will not help you, or anyone else in your position, to purposely twist a specific statement to your own definition.

Partying with someone who had, again, does not equal being the hacker. This means that they have not accused everyone as being hackers. It will not do you any good at all to twist those words.

DragonRogue · Jan 13, 2008, 04:05 AM // 04:05

If you get stopped by a policeman for speeding, do you wonder "How did you miss the guy ahead of me, driving 10 MPH faster?" I think it's human nature, but the answer is clear: "Because I got caught, and he didn't."

In the larger sense, would we ever presume to tell the police department or the criminal justice system, "You didn't catch (or convict) that criminal, therefore you should not try to catch (or prosecute) any criminals?" No, because that's not the way things work. And yes, we're not talking "real life crimes" in this forum, but I'm hoping an analogy will be helpful. Game issues: Should we not block [this poor name] because [that other poor name] hasn't yet been caught? Should we leave every bots unbanned because we cannot ban them all?

I am not here to debate "that other thing" or "those other players." Other players have made it clear why some issues are larger than others, or why they are handled differently. I do understand the question, but I feel it's off the topic at hand. I came here to give you information about the Mallyx exploit, and to assure you that while we realize that we cannot catch everyone who behaves badly, nor every player whose actions can have a negative effect on other players or the game as a whole, we're not going to stop dealing with those whom we do catch, and we are going to continue trying to handle each issue to the best of our ability.

This is not the question Ms Grey... the real question all of the 117 are asking is why is the punishment different for the same crime?

truzo 117 · Jan 13, 2008, 04:05 AM // 04:05

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Originally Posted by -Sonata-

Partying with someone who had done so does not equal being the hacker.

You guys have to stop twisting and putting your own spin on these statements, for you own good. They can't be any more clear and straight forward. If you're going to post that her, or Anets statements are lies, it doesn't help your side by lieing yourself about what they have actually said, which is that they have claimed everyone was a hacker. That was not true from the beginning and it's not true now. Please, if you're going to defend your side, and you have the right to do so, do it without twisting statements. It will not help you, or anyone else in your position, to purposely twist a specific statement to your own definition.

Partying with someone who had, again, does not equal being the hacker. This means that they have not accused everyone as being hackers. It will not do you any good at all to twist those words.

I didnt party with ANYONE and i didnt HACK myself and i was able to map to the outpost. what Gaile said is just wrong

I made a full post on how to attain the town and i sent a full coppy to Anet and Pm gale on guru forums how to also.

imbanned2 · Jan 13, 2008, 04:11 AM // 04:11

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Originally Posted by DragonRogue

If you get stopped by a policeman for speeding, do you wonder "How did you miss the guy ahead of me, driving 10 MPH faster?" I think it's human nature, but the answer is clear: "Because I got caught, and he didn't."

In the larger sense, would we ever presume to tell the police department or the criminal justice system, "You didn't catch (or convict) that criminal, therefore you should not try to catch (or prosecute) any criminals?" No, because that's not the way things work. And yes, we're not talking "real life crimes" in this forum, but I'm hoping an analogy will be helpful. Game issues: Should we not block [this poor name] because [that other poor name] hasn't yet been caught? Should we leave every bots unbanned because we cannot ban them all?

I am not here to debate "that other thing" or "those other players." Other players have made it clear why some issues are larger than others, or why they are handled differently. I do understand the question, but I feel it's off the topic at hand. I came here to give you information about the Mallyx exploit, and to assure you that while we realize that we cannot catch everyone who behaves badly, nor every player whose actions can have a negative effect on other players or the game as a whole, we're not going to stop dealing with those whom we do catch, and we are going to continue trying to handle each issue to the best of our ability.

This is not the question Ms Grey... the real question all of the 117 are asking is why is the punishment different for the same crime?

yes sure I should go to jail too but for how much 2 days?.. but the guy who killed somebody will stay longer I believe.. we are asking for a fair bann.. a permanent bann is pretty extreme.. except for those who did it 1000000 of times.. now a 72hs or something like that seems fair depending the situation.. and probably 2nd bann permanent.. there u have a fair system

Horus Moonlight · Jan 13, 2008, 04:17 AM // 04:17

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Originally Posted by Gaile Grey

This hidden outpost existed strictly for testing purposes and was never accessible through normal play.Only by hacking the client, or partying with someone who had done so, could a player access that outpost.

Nice try by avoiding the "or partying with someone who had done so" part Clait. Honestly, stop with this "they said we are all hackers when we are not" garbage. Gaile NEVER said that all the 117 were hackers. If you exploited this but did not use a hack, you still broke the EULA and were thusly banned.

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Originally Posted by Mickey

Seriously, I am so sick and tired of this.

I sent Support:

A. A way to prove that I killed Mallyx 7 times.
B. Asked them to show me a chat log where I acknowledged this as an exploit or a hack.

2 Days Later...

Nothing, not from Gaile (who I have emailed 6 times btw, I know your busy, but come on). Oh, and Support told me to gtfo.

The first post of this thread says that those who farmed it more than 4 times were banned, so I don't think you'll have much luck in your situation.

You don't have to openly say in chat that you acknowledge this as an exploit or a hack. Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? That would be like murderers getting out of their crime scott free by just not saying that what they did was wrong.

Actions speak louder than words. Sadly, your act of killing Mallyx this way 7 times says a lot against your favor.

I actually find it amusing and disgusting that there are those who exploited this and think they should be given leniency or a temp ban. Honestly...

Roo Ella · Jan 13, 2008, 04:35 AM // 04:35

Gee 1.776 Replies and 89 pages don't you think your all beating a dead horse by now?
I think this thread should be closed.
I do feel sorry in a way to some of the people affected by this BUT
you were party to this "exploit" somehow either knowingly or not
just deal with it.
I know this is harsh but It's there game there money there items not yours you own nothing on GW as has been said in other posts in this thread.
Same as If GW1 ever closes we ALL lose everything anyway.

Mickey · Jan 13, 2008, 04:37 AM // 04:37

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Originally Posted by Roo Ella

Gee 1.776 Replies and 89 pages don't you think your all beating a dead horse by now?
I think this thread should be closed.
I do feel sorry in a way to some of the people affected by this BUT
you were party to this "exploit" somehow either knowingly or not
just deal with it.
I know this is harsh but It's there game there money there items not yours you own nothing on GW as has been said in other posts in this thread.
Same as If GW1 ever closes we ALL lose everything anyway.

So I paid 200 bucks a 4 CD keys to access their games, and I have had that stripped of me, and your telling me to stop fighting for it back? Your in a different situation than I am. This thread can't help unless Gaile posts, "anyone who posts below me will have their ban lifted kthxbai."